Rabbi Singer takes Evangelical Radio Host to Task.

Bismillah ir rahman ir raheem,

As salamu 'alikum wr wb (May the Peace, Mercy of Allah and Blessings be upon you).

Rabbi Tobias Singer takes Evangelical Radio Host to Task.

This is a deeply interesting exchange between Rabbi Singer of outreachjudaism.org and 'The Way of the Master' Evangelical Radio Host.

The Creator says in the Qur'an:

The Jews say, "The Christians have nothing to stand on," and the Christians say, 'The Jews have nothing to stand on" Yet they (all) quote from the [same] Book. Likewise those who do not know make a statement similar to theirs. God will judge between them on Resurrection Day concerning how they have been differing." (Holy Qur'an 2:113)

So this is deeply interesting. Because they both claim that they are taking from the TNCH (Torah, Prophets and Writings) yet they are coming to radically different conclusions.

The Christian approach the TNCH with their various Christian presuppositions. Some times their philosophy also helps to guide their views of scripture.

Outreach Judaism-Way of The Master

Some times I do not understand why talk show host have to be smug with their comments.

However, the Rabbi made a good point that Christians have more hostility towards Islam than they do towards Buddhism and other faiths.

Notice that the Radio Host did not contest that point. The Rabbi was talking about the suffering that the people of Israel have suffered at the hands of Christians (Catholic, Protestant, Evangelical) you name it through the years.

Of course that struck a cord with the radio host and he tried to say 'well that's different'.

The Rabbi counters mentioning the fact that Martin Luther (A Christ filled Christian) said many hateful and evil things about Jewish people.

He mentions that Calvin and other (Christ filled Christians) have gone on record to say hateful things about Jewish people.

For those interested I did a blog entry about Martin Luther's notorious book "The Jews and their Lies"

You can find that link here: http://www.acommonword.net/2010/04/jews-and-their-lies-by-martin-luther.html

I also had to call out a Protestant blog that specializes in Martin Luther's literature to condemn Anti Jewish Hate Literature! Ken Temple and James Swan (major contributors to a blog that holds Martin Luther in high esteem) to their credit did condemn Martin Luther for his vile and hate filled statements and distanced themselves from it.

http://www.acommonword.net/2010/04/call-upon-beggars-all-to-condemn-anti.html

You can find the comments at the bottom of the entry above where Ken Temple says,

"So, yes, we condemn Luther’s Anti-Semitism and course language. Many believe he was not being racially hateful, but he was speaking theologically. But that is no excuse for the sin of that kind of language.

Ken"

You know I am glad that they did that. Just as I as a Muslim condemn any hate filled rhetoric by Hamas, Hezbollah or political organization that takes issue with occupation of Palestine.

However, what is deeply troubling for me as a Muslim is how Martin Luther was still held in such high esteem by Christians. Was Martin Luther 'Christ filled' when he made those statements?

Was Martin Luther "filled with the Holy Spirit of God" when he made those hateful and ugly statements?

Think of the following passage from the New Testament and think of Martin Luther (a saved Christian one of the elect of God)

5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous. (1 John 3:5-12)

Now think of a man filled with the Holy Spirit filled over flowing with the cup of Christ compassion and warmth saying the following things about the Jewish people. If I didn't know better I could have sworn the following came from Adolf Hitler at a speech in Berlin in the 1930s.

" They are full of the "devil's feces ... which they wallow in like swine." The synagogue was a "defiled bride, yes, an incorrigible whore and an evil slut ..." He argues that their synagogues and schools be set on fire, their prayer books destroyed, rabbis forbidden to preach, homes razed, and property and money confiscated. They should be shown no mercy or kindness, afforded no legal protection, and these "poisonous envenomed worms" should be drafted into forced labor or expelled for all time. He also seems to advocate their murder, writing "[w]e are at fault in not slaying them."

My sincere apologies to the reader has I have digressed. However, I feel it was necessary to give some substance to what the Rabbi said concerning Protestant Christianity's reformers.

The Radio Show Host said that Luther did not write books condemning Jews? Either he is a) ignorant or he is b) not being honest.

Christians are allowed to be dishonest because Robert Morey said so! You will also see that the Christian does indeed lie because he doesn't keep to his promise to the Rabbi (very typical).

The Christian promised to the Rabbi after the commercial break that he would try and convert the Rabbi to a belief of three beings living in community as one god, and the Rabbi would try and bring him back to the God of Israel.

Than the Rabbi had to correct the Radio Host who was trying to play the role of God.

The Christian Radio host says the following:

"I try to convert you and you try to convert me"

The Rabbi had to correct him that it is God who converts (not we human beings) So the Christian once again says,

"You try and make me a Jew and I will try and make you a Christian of course God doing it"

Now of course the Christian could have let the Rabbi go first after the break, but he decided to take the first shot. (Note) The Christian did not give the Rabbi a chance to convert him.

So the Christian gives his spill about has the Rabbi walked perfect before God keeping all the commandments etc (basically is he perfect). The Rabbi quoted scripture showing what the JEWISH definition of Righteousness is as given in the scripture.

The Christian only gave Philosophical arguments (how can you stand before a Holy God) note this is the Christian presupposition superimposed upon the Rabbi.

The Rabbi brought up the points that you can Repent (turn back) to God.

The Christian makes the mistake of saying that a sin completely cuts you off from God unless there is some offering of blood. The Rabbi shows this is not the case. No Sacrifice to God!

So the Christian prefaces his statement with the following:

"Very quickly than we will let you scoot" -Basically the Christian is realizing that this discussion is not going the way they want so we will 'let you scoot'.

You can see during the exchange the Christian starts to grumble, and mumble, yeah well mmm alright. You can see that the Christian is the one who is not happy with what the scripture says.

The Rabbi brought him scripture and irrefutable example that his Christian presupposition that he gets from Paul that he starts to superimpose upon Judaism is absolutely untenable!

So the Christian tries to take one last shot by saying within the Mosaic covenant was a system of sacrifice and 'Let us just leave it as that because you and I have a different hermeneutic"

Interesting! Note as well the Christian didn't give the Rabbi a chance to convert him! Ha! ha! Typical!

So this brings me back to what the Creator said about this on going feud between the Jews and Christians here:

The Jews say, "The Christians have nothing to stand on," and the Christians say, 'The Jews have nothing to stand on" Yet they (all) quote from the [same] Book. Likewise those who do not know make a statement similar to theirs. God will judge between them on Resurrection Day concerning how they have been differing." (Holy Qur'an 2:113)

You maybe interested in seeing the link: http://www.acommonword.net/2010/11/rabbi-declares-islam-mankinds-original.html

The Rabbi's final words were "BLESS YOU"

The Christian's final words were "GOOD BYE"

WHICH HAD MORE GRACE AND LOVE ???

Marcus McElhaney (A Christian gentleman who is still searching for the truth) is very fond of coming over to my blog and lifting material from me from time to time I don't think he will want to publish this over at his blog.

Than again who knows?