As salamu 'alikum wr wb (May the Peace, Mercy of Allah and Blessings be upon you).
Reformed Baptist Ken Temple Attacks Anglicans and Presbyterians.
Recently I took Reformed Baptist Ken Temple to task in the post just prior to this for his lack of facts and correct information.
In the same post Ken Temple makes a veiled attack upon Anglicans and Presbyterians which probably flew right by most people.
Again in the post below
Also, I am not talking about biological growth and the bare numbers of populations of the RC and EO, in comparison with Protestants. Those statistics are mostly based on infant baptism records, and that does not reflect conversion in the heart, that is just an external religious rite. The European and western numbers of those folks would surely be mostly nominal, right?
I was talking about those born Muslim who have turned from Islam to Christ.
Also, the populations of EO, RC, and the Assyrian Church of the East have dwindled in Muslim countries over the centuries. Especially in Ottoman Turkey, Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan.
Egypt may the only majority Muslim country that has kept its Christian population. (The Coptic Church)
Yes, as a Baptist, I disagree with infant baptism, but I did not attack Turretinfan or Samuel Green! We are all brothers in Christ, even though we disagree about infant baptism.
ReplyDeleteYour title is just wrong (lying about me) misleading and unfair and sensationalistic.
Presbyterians do not believe that infant baptism makes them saved or confers grace on them or regenerates them. They believe that is is a sign given to infants of believing parents of "entry into the covenant community" with the hope that as they raise the child in Christ, they will come to faith later. So Presbyterians do not believe in baptismal regeneration, although Roman Catholics do.
Anglicans and Lutherans have a slightly different view, but it is not the Roman Catholic view, so you need to study deeper on those issues.
You wrote:
Ken Temple has drew some lines in the sand. People like the Anglican Rev Samuel Green and Presbyterian Turretinfan (http://turretinfan.blogspot.com/) would not be happy to know that infant baptist is just an 'external religious rite' and that 'it does not reflect conversion of the heart'.
Actually, they would agree with the last part - that "it does not reflect conversion of the heart", at least I know for sure that Presbyterians would agree with that. They hope in the future that the child who was baptized as an infant will eventually repent and believe in Christ, but they confess that the baptism does not save them or give them faith or regenerate them. It is a sign of being a member of the covenant community, like circumcision was for Jews. (Genesis 17)
But you are sort of right about the first part of the comment I made, they believe it is more than just an "external religious rite"; although they would agree with also, just that there is more to it than that. the comment about an "external religious rite" - they believe it is important and done in the church to infants of believing parents. Baptists do not believe that is biblical.
But still, that was NOT an attack upon Samuel Green or Turretinfan. I love all conservative Bible believing Presbyterians and Anglicans like Green (and John R. W. Stott and J. I. Packer, two heroes of the faith and Anglicans. ) Unfortunately most Anglicans have drifted from the Bible and have become liberal today and many conservative Anglicans have left the Archbishop of Canterbury as authority and are under the conservative African bishops now.