Allah is uniquely one (refutation of the Trinity) part 2

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Allah is uniquely one (refutation of the Trinity) part 2

The very sad thing about Trinitarian-Christians is that they can NEVER define God without the use of the word 'Three'. They can NEVER define God's oneness without the use of the word three.

In the TNCH (what Christians call the 'Old Testament') God uses the word ONE to communicate who and what he is.

(Deuteronomy 6:4 "Hear oh Israel the Lord your God the Lord is ONE")

Now this passage DOES NOT say "Hear oh Israel the Lord your God the Lord is THREE." It does not say "Hear oh Israel the Lord your God the Lord is Three in One" It does not say "Hear oh Israel the Lord your God the Lord is One in Three".

We just saw in the previous post that noted Christian apologist Dr. William Lane Craig admits that on the basis of the TNCH alone one would not arrive to the conclusion that God is a trinity.

Now please read what a follower of Judaism has to say about the Shema of Deuteronomy 6:4 above. (Not a Jewish convert to Christianity -whom now carries Christian presuppositions)

You can read about that here: http://judaism-now.blogspot.com/2009/04/trinity-part-two-echad.html

That Jewish follower of Judaism says on his blog:

"In defending the covenant God has with Israel, I will gladly stand toe to toe with anybody who wishes to debate me over what the Hebrew Bible states in Hebrew concerning the Hebrews. I will also challenge everyone to learn and read the Hebrew Bible and to stay with the full and complete context in which it was clearly written. You will find as I have that the Jewish Bible simply contains a full and complete message within itself for all mankind that starts and ends with His chosen people. I believe if a person (regardless of his / her pre-conceived ideas) carries the right attitude towards the God of Israel, then God will surely show that person the fullness of truth of which that person is able to conceive, which is what is required of all people (Psalms 25:14)."

You know what the insincere Tri-Theist Christian who proclaims trinitarianism does? That person will click the above link read it and will not DARE post a response to it. Because they KNOW they cannot refute the Jews who follow and practice Judaism on their own terms.

We have the Holy Qur'an which states the following:

He is Allah the One

Allah the independent and besought of all or that which is independent of all things but all things are dependent upon.

He begets not nor is he begotten.

And there is none like unto him.

(Holy Qur'an chapter 112:1-4)

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=112

Now the interesting thing is that the word that is translated often enough as 'One' above is the Arabic word Ahad.

In the Qur'an we have the Arabic word Wahid for the number one.

"And your god is one God. There is no deity (worthy of worship) except Him, the Entirely Merciful, the Especially Merciful (Holy Qur'an 2:163)

The Arabic word that is used for the word 'one' above is wahid.

The difference between Ahad and Wahid.

Now the following video is in Urdu (however the English translation is given with in the video)

Allah is not a body (form) and Allah is not comprised of parts.

The sad plight of the Christians (belief in an unknown God)

"For as I walked around and looked carefully at your objects of worship, I even found an altar with this inscription: TO AN UNKNOWN GOD. Now what you worship as something unknown I am going to proclaim to you." (Acts 17:23)

"Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you (the only true God) have sent." (John 17:3)

"You Samaritans worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews." (John 4:22)

Christians are without knowledge of the only true God. Especially the trinitarians. They do not know what they worship.

Here goes the Trinitarian doctrine known as the 'Athanasian Creed'....quoting in part and you can find the fuller version online at your own discretion.

8. The Father uncreated, the Son uncreated, and the Holy Spirit uncreated.

9. The Father incomprehensible, the Son incomprehensible, and the Holy Spirit incomprehensible.

10. The Father eternal, the Son eternal, and the Holy Spirit eternal.

11. And yet they are not three eternals but one eternal.

12. As also there are not three uncreated nor three incomprehensible, but one uncreated and one incomprehensible.

13. So likewise the Father is almighty, the Son almighty, and the Holy Spirit almighty.

14. And yet they are not three almighties, but one almighty.

15. So the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God;

16. And yet they are not three Gods, but one God.

So there you have it! A belief that the father is incomprehensible and that the son is incomprehensible and that the holy spirit is incomprehensible but they are not three incomprehensible they are one incomprehensible!

So here you have a doctrine you must believe in for your eternal salvation! It's not in Deuteronomy 6:4. By Dr. William Lane Craig's admission it is not in the TNCH (what Christians call the Old Testament) and it was not revealed through revelation. It was a doctrine that (though many feel is based upon revelation) is ULTIMATELY decided upon by men during Church councils. So these men tell us that God is incomprehensible!

Think about that for a minute. Think long and hard about that statement coming from men! If the theologians of the Trinity KNEW it (their doctrine) was beyond the understanding of men then, as MEN how do they know that they got it right in the first place?

That is quite a conundrum! To say that one can know God's essence is unknowable is self defeating. It is similar to saying one knows that truth cannot be known!

So how do these Tri-theist (Trinitarians) say "The ousia of God exist trihypostatically." ???

Is God Composite?

First we should define the term composite.

1. Made up of distinct components; compound.

Lets take a look at some more crafty classical Christian slick talk:

http://carm.org/trinity (A pro Trinity web site)

I thought in classical Christian theology believed in 'Divine Simplicity'. Atleast I thought St. Thomas Aquinas believed this.

The first step is to establish the biblical doctrine that there is only one God. Then, you find that each of the persons is called God, each creates, each was involved in Jesus' resurrection, each indwells, etc. Therefore, God is one, but the one God is in three simultaneous persons. Please note that the idea of a composite unity is not a foreign concept to the Bible; after all, man and wife are said to be one flesh. The idea of a composite unity of persons is spoken of by God in Genesis (Gen. 2:24).

Actually it was not even necessary to use this as an example. The man by himself is a composite unity. The woman by herself is a composite unity.

My head is not my arm and my arm is not my leg and my leg is not my head, yet they are all 'Me'. However, where this example falls flat is that my leg by itself IS NOT me. In fact I could exist WITHOUT my leg. I could even exist without my arm. Of course in this example I could not exist without my head!

If you take this example of composite unity and apply it to the Tri-Theist (Trinitarian) concept of what God is you get the following:

The Father is part of God, but not all of God. The Son is part of God but not all of God. The Holy Spirit is part of God but not all of God. Yet the Trinitarian dogma as defined by the Athanasian Creed above says,

15. So the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God;

16. And yet they are not three Gods, but one God.

This is clearly where we part with the Christians in their theological conceptions of the Creator (Most High). They believe that the Creator is composed of parts of which the Creator is incomplete without the sum of the parts. I am tired of people saying that I misrepresent Christian dogma or that I don't understand.

1) I do not misrepresent it. The carm.org web site above goes out of it's way to say that God is a composite being!

2) I understand what Trinitarians believe; however I don't buy it. I understand what Hindus believe but I don't buy into it either.

This is usually a cop out by Trinitarians who are at a loss for words or feel frustrated in trying to present their incomprehensible doctrines.

The Creator's being is not One. God is not capable of being One indivisible being that is not composite.

The number one starts to take on less and less significance as the Trinitarian doctrine becomes expounded. What happens is that God's oneness becomes supplementary to his threeness. The 'oneness' of God or the idea that God is one becomes little more than a foot note in Christian theological discussion.

"O People of the Scripture, do not commit excess in your religion or say about Allah except the truth. The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, "Three"; desist -it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as a Disposer of affairs." (Holy Qur'an 4:171)